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I am SO glad Fred and I were able to have this conversation because I think it hits on so many topics that people are curious about! Fueled by our mutual curiosity about the universe and love of the show "Supernatural" we had an awesome chat about the creative beings we are, and what we have created with our imaginations OVER AND OVER AND OVER for thousands of years, and what that has become.  Angels, AND Demons, all created with concentrated effort by billions of us and beliefs supported by religious ideation. 

We are living in the matrix, and thats OK! Look at what we can do with this sandbox we are currently playing in!

I hope you love this conversation and I do encourage you to listen to the entire thing as it is jam packed right up until the very end. 

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This Podcast was edited by Infamous beats, and I highly recommend his work!
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